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Set a Meeting or Send a Message. What is ADX? What is MACD? What is pSAR? If the option is in money, the exchange squares off the options contract and issues a credit to buyer or debit to seller. The option expires out-of-money — in which case, there is no square off of the contract done by the exchange. Only in case 3 , the seller of the option has earned the premium as there is no squaring off of the out-of-money contract — in cases, 1 and 2.
Hari, turnover requirement is only to determine if audit is needed or not.
Also like I have mentioned earlier, the way I have explained, is probably the most conservative way. You can adopt for any method that you think is right. When you login to Kite, click on your client ID on top right of the page, you will link to Q backoffice. The turnover calculation is very clear which is to be credited to profit and loss account however how to calculate the purchase value that is to be debited to profit and loss account?
Dear Nithin wonderful explanation and response. I have some queries and hope your help in this regard. IF next year you stop trading, you can still use ITR3, but without need of an audit. I have an acc with you but not traded here as am doing the same at Kodak and fear that audit will be difficult clubbing two. Could you help with kotak acc too? I have a gross intraday net profit of Rs for the year.
Now is this amount the same as intraday turnover.
Am I correct in my understanding? If not how do I calculate the intraday turnover. Illustration given here are more practical and illustrative than those given on our ICAI books. Keep up the good work. Good that you have deciphered the ambiguous content of Taxation. I am sure they will have their own interpretation of Taxation and would proceed accordingly.
This is meant for everyone trading and investing and not just for Zerodha clients. Hi, Thanks for all the information. You have shown with example how turnover is calculated both for trade wise and scrip wise. So I understand that I should be able to reduce my profits scrip wise by the deducting the cost of transactions i.
Is that assumption correct? I am not Writing an Option. Since in this case I am not really taking in the Premium but just Squaring off the trade, is the Sell value also considered as Premium received, to be added to the Turnover as shown in your example? Prabhu, it is upto you on what inference you make out of it. But I think the most compliant way to decipher would be to look at both the points: Premium received on sale of options is also to be included in turnover In respect of any reverse trades entered, the difference thereon should also form part of the turnover.
So yes, consider sell value of all options either long exit of fresh short for calculating turnover. If you are trading at Zerodha, your turnover statement will have this calculation. But like I have said, turnover is to only determine if you need an audit or not. It is best to have books audited in any case.
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However as the turnover calculation logic is different for equity intraday and equity delivery based its not giving correct picture of the total charges incurred for the two. So my question is whats the best way to identify the actual total charges incurred for equity intraday and equity short term delivery based with out going through each contract note as that would be cumbersome. Since brokerage for delivery is 0, The rest will be intraday charges. I know this is not the best way, we will have something on this soon.
Hi Nithin, I also have same problem in understanding how the squaring off an option is considered as premium. Two questions: 1- I believe squaring off of options is considered premium in Zerodha and is taken into turnover calculation, pls confirm? In case of futures, sum of profits and losses will define the turnover, pls confirm. Yes the turnover reports tradewise or scripwise both consider squared off premium value as part of turnover. This is the most conservative approach. It is upto you though on how you want to declare the turnover. Yes, in case of futures only sum of profits and losses is considered as turnover the reason being in futures the margin gets blocked and not debited.
Hi Nitin, Thx for the detailed explanation. Sumit, like I have mentioned earlier, when advising I have to be as conservative as possible.
Many tax laws in india are ambiguous or conceptual fallacies. We need to oppose those. Ashish, the way I have explained is the most conservative way. It is upto you on how you want to declare turnover. This is quite a grey area. Premium received on sale of options is to be included in turnover.
Like I said in the post, this is all up for debate. You can take the definition whatever suits you. Are all components elgible to be considered for arriving at the Total cost? Yes you can calculate the way you have mentioned. So do I need to consider for purchases or not?
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Sale of goods — Purchases. Please advise.
Regards, Ganesh Keer. If you are considering this as an investment, then you need to show the capital gains only on what is booked profits. If you are showing them as trades, you can MTM the closing price of the stock in trade. From reading this article, it seems to me that for all practical purposes, anyone reporting their trading activity as a business will need to necessarily get an audit done….
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Also turnover of 1 crore would be significant. Is that a fair statement? Yes, you could say that. We had taken a petition against this, you can support it to. No need of sending anything btw it is ITR 4 and not 5 , everything can be done online today. You will be asked for the physical copies if you are called by the ITO for scrutiny. I am very much delighted to read your commentary on tax implications while trading in the markets.
Since the loss is set off, which can be done, the ultimate income resulting in to Less than Taxable Limits. Kindly clarify.
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